Enzucho's (Enzo) Collection Discussion

Discussion in 'Loungers Gallery Discussion' started by Enzucho, Apr 30, 2009.

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    RobotOnLine wrote 31 minutes earlier »
    Enzucho wrote 1 month earlier »
    Here r some crappy iphone pics I just took 4-30-09
    http://gallery.me.com/epaparella#100093

    OK crappy photos but class collectibles, I like the very ambient and calming colours on your decor in that room Enz....I so wish forbiddenplanet.com hadn't let me down on Aragorn, he looks stunning!!

    Thanks bot this is my 4th collection room in my 4th house and I finally think I got a color that actually enhances the statues IMO, I had the almost exact color tha DJ david has that almost orange terricata color, then a tan color and then a brownish color, I am really happy with the charcoal color i have chosen, the dark colors and lighting really bring out the pieces
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 31 minutes earlier »
    RobotOnLine wrote 3 minutes earlier »
    I so wish forbiddenplanet.com hadn't let me down on Aragorn, he looks stunning!!

    and to think Enz almost let Aragorn slip by... :king:

    Because of the fine people on this forum I purchased him, and I am so glad I did when i did, brilliant piece
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 12 minutes earlier »
    RobotOnLine wrote 12 minutes earlier »
    Hey Jet has Lars got any photos on here, I was just looking in the Sinnenwelt section for some of his collectibles.
    Or perhaps the man himself can tell me.....where are they Lars?

    He built his own little section of the site for that. Still for completion's sake, it would be nice to see Lars setup his own collection thread.
    How about it Lars? :)

    Yes Lars join in the fun
     
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    Lars wrote 21 minutes earlier »
    Hey Kev, you can find my current and past collection pics in the menu tree below the header of this page "Collection/Art".

    Just been through them thanks Lars, very impressive pieces, and that Warrior bust!!!!
    Please can I have your Warrior bust, I'll swap you my.....ermmm.....Robocop PF :lol:
    There seems to be a bit of favoritism towards the Jack Sparrow CM
     
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    Sparrow rules :rock:
    By far my favorite cm to date, although not a positive respnce from the majority of the public, to me in real life, it is by far the most erie cm to date meaning it looks like a lil human, try drinking a couple of beers and hanging out with him, it gets down right scary lol
     
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    Jack trumps them all, I agree. But I have a feeling that he'd rivaled by the Godfather were he part of my collection.
     
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    RobotOnLine wrote 4 hours earlier »
    Please can I have your Warrior bust, I'll swap you my.....ermmm.....Robocop PF :lol:

    :lol:
    I really adore Robocop. It frightened me with nightmares when I was 12. It probably is the epitome of 80's ultra-violence on film... well that and Total Recall. Watching it again now I can appreciate the very dark humour in the film which was lost on me in a stomping trail of guns, blood and guts as a child.
    I saw the PF up in London a few months ago. It looks really great until you get to the smile.
     
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    Lars wrote 56 minutes earlier »
    Jack trumps them all, I agree. But I have a feeling that he'd rivaled by the Godfather were he part of my collection.

    I'd be inclined to agree with you there Lars. I've always detected a slight marginal tinge of regret from you for not ordering the GF when it was at a reduced price.
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 1 day earlier »
    RobotOnLine wrote 4 hours earlier »
    Please can I have your Warrior bust, I'll swap you my.....ermmm.....Robocop PF :lol:

    I saw the PF up in London a few months ago. It looks really great until you get to the smile.


    Yeh he does seem to have a smirk on his face, perhaps he's just let one go :shrug:
     
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    I think Lars could easily trade his warrior bust for two GF cinemaquettes... just a thought... :angel:
     
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    phil the sixth wrote 59 minutes earlier »
    I think Lars could easily trade his warrior bust for two GF cinemaquettes... just a thought... :angel:

    :naughty:
    You know he is on the edge of "100% CM", it will take but a nudge to push him over...
     
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    jet_force_juno wrote 8 hours earlier »
    phil the sixth wrote 59 minutes earlier »
    I think Lars could easily trade his warrior bust for two GF cinemaquettes... just a thought... :angel:

    :naughty:
    You know he is on the edge of "100% CM", it will take but a nudge to push him over...

    Yeah...I have sensed that too...he is rather busy on ebay lateley... :naughty:
     
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    Comin Lars Cm all the way, make the transition... :top:
     
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    phil the sixth wrote 21 hours earlier »
    I think Lars could easily trade his warrior bust for two GF cinemaquettes... just a thought... :angel:

    Well, you know it and there's a hint of truths in this suggestion, especially from a value viewpoint because it's fair to predict that the price can only go downhill from here on.
    Knowing Sideshow's management as the ruthless revenue generators that they are, it's likely only a matter of time till this character and maybe even the format itself will be revisited in one way or the other. Since their customers keep letting them get away with their very curious definition of collectibility, high value pieces were and will always be a risky bet with Sideshow and they're best to be sold once prices are peeking out. It's quite the scary vision to think what would happen to many grail pieces in terms of reissues if Sideshow were to get into a financial disorder.
    Still, this particular piece remains very dear to me and is actually one of two Sideshow pieces that still remain in my collection despite my veining trust in the company. A big argument for this is its stellar condition thanks to you Phil and its size which would make a buyback basically impossible.
    Furthermore, I just don't see myself as a CM completist because I'm much more a supporter of the recent CM philosophy than their earlier release decisions. I'm also quite sure that I will not be interested in some (if not all) of the new announcements.
    This being said, I'll still try my luck with the Godfather and BL, but isn't collecting all about the prospect anyways? :)
     
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    Lars wrote 2 hours earlier »
    Knowing Sideshow's management as the ruthless revenue generators that they are, it's likely only a matter of time till this character and maybe even the format itself will be revisited in one way or the other. Since their customers keep letting them get away with their very curious definition of collectibility, high value pieces were and will always be a risky bet with Sideshow and they're best to be sold once prices are peeking out. It's quite the scary vision to think what would happen to many grail pieces in terms of reissues if Sideshow were to get into a financial disorder.

    This is very true, and I am not sure the company quite have the moral fibre to keep away from re-visits if they needed to. The "collectibles" part of their name seems increasingly shaky these days.
    Lars wrote 2 hours earlier »
    This being said, I'll still try my luck with the Godfather and BL, but isn't collecting all about the prospect anyways? :)

    To a point I'd agree. Though it very much depends on whether the 'prospect' involves potentially having to pay double the asking price down the road should you hesitate first time around.
     
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    Lars wrote 15 hours earlier »
    Since their customers keep letting them get away with their very curious definition of collectibility

    Well,it all depends on how you see the whole collectibility issue.Although I respect others view on that matter,I for one couldn't care less about it.For me it is all about how great the representation of a character looks.I don't care if a statue/bust is limited to 3 pieces or 3000 pieces.I will take the latter anyday if this one is a
    much nicer version of the character.Still I admit it's great to have an extremely limited collectible but it is something that doesn't affect my decision in that regard.
    I can see your frustration my friend when SS are revisiting and producing new collectibles of the same character in other formats or even the same,but again personally it doesn't affect my joy or satisfaction of these in any way.I guess I don't see those things in terms of limitation or market value... nonetheless I can understand how it affects people with a different view on the matter.Maybe I am not a collector in the true sense of the word... :O :D
     
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    I don't think that things have to be entirely limited to be collectible. Most of the HT's stuff is available in relative abundance (until the figures are retired) and they are incredibly collectible. I don't think your credentials as a collector are in question Phil :top:
    I think something that needs consideration when it comes to collectability and the notion of edition sizes is the initial cost to buy the piece. If you believe in economies of scale, a piece with a run of 7,000 is going to cost you marginally less to produce than a piece with an edition size of 10 or 100. Likewise a low edition size is going to cost relatively more on the secondary market - though not always.
    SS will factor in how many of an item they think they can sell at different cost points to turn a respectable profit. If they make something super limited I would naturally expect to pay more, both initially and on the secondary market.
    However, if I have invested the cash to get something super limited, you can bet I will be quite angry if SS undermine that spend with a re-paint or extra edition - it's only human nature.
    SS though are quite clever when it comes to pricing and maintaining the collectability in their pieces. They most often than not release two versions of the same PF - an exclusive and a regular. The true extra cost to produce the exclusive is, in my opinion, totally negligible compared to the cost of buying the exclusive.
    The Captain America exclusive was $30 more expensive, the Doom PF $25 more expensive, and the grey Hulk $100 more expensive than the regular green. To me it's like going in to Starbucks and paying an extra 50p for whipped cream on the top of your coffee. It doesn't cost 50p for them to put the dollop on (probably more like 5p), but it's a clever way of getting price insensitive people to put their hands up.
    SS realise that price savvy collectors just wouldn't buy in to the exclusives on price difference alone. So to mitigate they lower the edition size of the exclusive to improve it's attractiveness and thus dull the pain from having to shell out the extra $$$'s to get it.
    As of yet I haven't seen SS get as bad with their pieces as Bowen designs has with the Faux Bronze's. The latter does show just how low a company can stoop in order to meet the quotas of a license agreement, and make some fast $$$'s by doing actually very little. How long will it be before we see SS doing a similar thing?
    Haven't they already with the Battle Damaged IM 1:1?
     
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    I like you phil, collect what I like, I am not by any means going to be a compliteist of Cm, although I would love to be but money permits, so I by what I love, unfortunately for me I tend to love everything CM puts out, all the character chosen so far and the way these character are represented in staue form just blow me away.... Limitability really doesnt matter when I am buying a piece, but to me it never hurts to make a lil money either, especially when I want to fund another cm, such as the new pf patient zero, I put the order in when it first came out, unfortunately I wasnt able to secure an exclusive (the site went down pretty quick). Never the less I will be selling this one after awhile, I am a huge fan of zombies and blood so to me he is superb, but again I need to streamline m collection, so in the my thought process is enjoy him while he is here and when a new cm is close to being announced or up for preorder, sell him and put the money toward the CM, no doubt that the patient zero will be worth twice to three times more in time, look at the 12 inch figure, what does he go for 350, 450?
     
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    phil the sixth wrote 2 days earlier »
    Lars wrote 15 hours earlier »
    Since their customers keep letting them get away with their very curious definition of collectibility

    Well,it all depends on how you see the whole collectibility issue.Although I respect others view on that matter,I for one couldn't care less about it.For me it is all about how great the representation of a character looks.I don't care if a statue/bust is limited to 3 pieces or 3000 pieces.I will take the latter anyday if this one is a
    much nicer version of the character.Still I admit it's great to have an extremely limited collectible but it is something that doesn't affect my decision in that regard.
    I can see your frustration my friend when SS are revisiting and producing new collectibles of the same character in other formats or even the same,but again personally it doesn't affect my joy or satisfaction of these in any way.I guess I don't see those things in terms of limitation or market value... nonetheless I can understand how it affects people with a different view on the matter.Maybe I am not a collector in the true sense of the word... :O :D

    Hey Phil, here's my take on this:
    When I buy a collectible, no matter if on the first or secondary market, I see it as a bundle of different properties and make my decision to buy it from there. The limitation is as much a part of that bundle as everything else... quality, likeness, personal affiliation, you name it.
    I'm no sucker for exclusivity but it's a distinctive part of the deal and I like to know what I buy when I buy it. If I preorder a BL maquette, I commonly agree that CM can produce up to 1k pieces of it and I can factor that into my decision to buy it. If I buy a piece on the secondary market it's the same, and if the company claims to sell "Collectables" the responsibility to honor the product and it's specifications doesn't end with the sell-out. Therefore releasing a revisited or slightly altered item violates that idea for me and I'll reallocate my business from such a producer.
    Another point is that I like to build my furniture and presentations around my collectibles. Therefore I intuitively dislike to eBay-off my stuff just because a company wants to make me adjust to their supposedly improved lineup of always the same characters.
    I do see your point though. If you buy pieces and justify the price purely based on how great the representation of a character looks and you accept that as the only deciding characteristic then inevitably everything else doesn't matter.
     
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    Very well put lars
     
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