Iron Man Mk 43 - Volume XVI

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  1. bioman Demands Audiences

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    I can understand Azurepred for the price...

    Do you think guys a CM worth $2000?
    Is it overpriced or not?

    Some yes some no....
    it depend if you are "rich or not...":p but not only this...
    Lot of guys buy several sideshow PF, i prefer buy 1 or 2 CM per year than 10 sideshow PF...
    Quality over quantity

    $2000 is lot of money for me too
    $1500 would be great price but we know quality have a price and CM is alone on the silicon market

    Im sure if the price was lower Azurepred would change his mind...and so i, if the price is around $2500...
     
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  2. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Dennis made the following price about pricing a few pages back which I agree with.

    The current pricing feels right to me.

     
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  3. Lars Keymaster Staff Member

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    Yes I definitely think you should pass this one up and wait for a release elsewhere that better matches your needs. :top:
     
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  4. rrjrstatueman Custom Daredevil

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    I agree with Jose , if your not into something you will never justify the price , I think that goes for everyone , I know I have pieces that I spent a lot of money that no one will ever do that because they are not a fan of it , I go back to the SS HULK THAT SOLD FOR OVER 2000 both the green and grey ones . I would never pay that much heck I wouldn't even pay 500 for it , or even eceptar it for free as I am not into that look and pose . So,yeah that's exactly how this collecting world works
     
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  5. Mirak Verbal Diarrhoea

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    And that is exactly why I'm also going to pass on this release just like I did with the creature !
    I prefer to spend my hard earned euros on a CM that I really want........but I do look forward to the pics & videos by you guys that will buy him :yes:.
     
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  6. bioman Demands Audiences

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    Yes agree
    If you have no interest for a licence you will never justify the price...
    The creature is the less attractive CM for me...
     
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  7. azurepred Chatty

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    that doesn't surprise me
     
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  8. dfchang813 Smooth Conversationalist

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    Azurepred but you bought the Sideshow Doom Legendary Scale Figure for 1700 and change?

    Can't you argue that piece is mainly cloth and robes? We have detailed unboxing pictures from collectors and I admit to being a bit ambivalent on this. I find nothing too impressive with the face sculpt and there are rumors it is plastic in nature. The paintjob is acceptable but not spectacular and certainly not translucent resin.

    The armor parts are very nice . . . but nothing approaching what an Iron Man armor should deliver and it's not metal. It's just resin with a nice metallic paint job. And again, nothing as nice as an Iron Man armor paint application should be.

    I find the base similarly acceptable but nothing mind blowing.

    You have to admit that for 1700 you are looking at a lot of cloth over some decently sculpted parts. Where is the value in that?

    Also bear in mind that this is a NON-NUMBERED and technically NON-LIMITED piece.

    Finally, you got a fantastic deal. Greater than 90% of collectors will be shelling out north of 2000 dollars for this piece.

    Are you a HUGE Doom fan? I thought your tastes more in line with Alien/Predator and not that much in Marvel line?

    Finally although you are not buying these pieces, I question the value of a Darth Maul Legendary Scale which is essentially ALL robes for 2k plus and the Dark Rider of Mordor which is again mainly cloth robes on a great horse sculpt?

    If it's too good to be true, it usually is. There is a reason why the Imaginarium piece is only 700 dollars and change whereas the CM is probably going to be 2k plus. Licensing issues also need to be considered, I thought Imaginarium was only licensed for Asia? This is same problem for King Arts and XM statue products for instance. They can't be distributed in North America and/or Europe?

    I had a huge Hot Toys collection beyond Iron Man. Literally every "grail" Hot Toys figure out there from Wolverine to Leonidas to Dark Knight and Godfather etc. They are great initially but once the novelty wears off, all you get are very light weight pieces of plastic and in my opinion very high end Barbie dolls.

    I know it sounds snobby but there is no way on Earth any general person would every mistake a Hot Toys collection for art. It just doesn't happen. LoL.

    It's all personal opinion of course. For instance, I LOVE Underworld and in fact own one of the 8 life size silicone Selene busts in the world but I would never in a million years spend 2,000 on Markus. LoL. That guy is not iconic by ANY stretch of the imagination and is a complete space killer. Not to mention just being a very large resin piece with normal paint apps. Yet, you seem to really, really like that piece and are seriously thinking about moving some of your collection to get the funds for this?

    While I've made my feelings on Doom pretty clear, I consider it a FAR FAR FAR superior piece to own in your collection than Markus frankly. It is INFINITELY more iconic and more well known and has greater majesty and presence. It will also almost certainly impress more people than the giant bat thing monster from a movie series many people snicker at. :)

    My point though is that for someone as concerned with value as you, it baffles me why you would continue to think a 1/3 scale Iron Man Cinemaquette with silicone portrait isn't worth 2k plus but Doom is worth 1700?

    My feelings are quite the opposite actually. :)

    Now don't get me wrong, I am still considering buying Doom in the future but this is within the context of also feeling that the CM Mark 43 is worth every penny of 2k and above which you obviously do not.

    Also, for comparison I have a Joe Dunaway Narin King and Queen which I have put in 2000 plus when you factor in the cost of the resin kit, shipping from Thailand, and Joe's fee. It's magnificent but it is only 1/6 scale resin piece and not in the same neighborhood as a 1:3 silicone work of art or a 1:2 LSF. If I remember you must have spent close to that amount if not more on Kothoga which is something the VAST majority of people have no idea of unless they are Stan Winston buffs like you and I? How to explain that? Again, VAST majority of people feel that there is far greater value in an officially licensed piece like Iron Man 43 than in your Kothoga or my King and Queen.

    I think rather than getting too argumentative or wrapped up in the "logic" and rationale of what a piece is worth, it's better to accept that different things float different people's boats. Value is a very subjective thing and I don't think at all that 2k is out of bounds for what we are going to get with this CM piece even with an imperfect RDJ likeness. LoL. Just because you can get plastic Iron Man toys from Hot Toys for 500 doesn't mean we are in the same stratosphere as a CM work of art.

    That's like saying your Kothoga piece isn't worth 2k because there is another resin sculpt that is hand painted by Joe Schmoe down the street. I think we both know that a Joe Dunaway hand painted version of an authentic cast of the sculpt from the movie is a different ballpark.

    And saying RDJ needs to hand deliver the CM for 2k is like saying the ghost of Stan Winston needs to hand deliver the Kothoga to be worth that much.

    At this level of collecting, 2k is not that much money my friend. Everyone here has spent that much and many times that on grail level pieces . . . INCLUDING YOU!! LoL So please, let's stop with the hyperbole okay?
     
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  9. Otto Verbal Diarrhoea

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    Two great posts from you Dennis , my feelings exactly.:thank:
     
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  10. phil the sixth Charter Lounger

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    Although I follow you cinemaquette uber fans to a certain extend I have a different definition of what I consider a 'piece of art'.
    If your perception of a piece of art doesn't take into account the best possible stance , a great likeness and a movie accurate representation then I have no gripes with that at all and if you collect from this POV more power to you guys.
    Personally,I have set my standards for a $2000+ piece higher than this and everything has to come together before I can speak of a piece of art.
    I'm leaping from cinemaquette release to cinemaquette release to just find myself looking at something that isn't a piece of art.I know the day will come though they will release something I will not be able to pass on.
     
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  11. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    "Best possible stance" - what does that even mean? How can there be an optimal stance for a 3D statue?

    If there's one line of reasoning I find endlessly tiresome when it comes to discussing Conemaquettes it's this: "for $2,000 it should do this..." "for $2,000 it has to do that..." "for $2,000 it must look like this..." The problem is that some collectors will never be satisfied no matter what is offered at that price, and they tend to be the ones slinging these statements around for some reason, while the rest of us content folk have to go on reading it post after post.

    Phil you're trying to come across like some connoisseur of fine art here who only buys the very best of the best. Your on record starting that you don't at all feel that the Cinemaquette Predator or Alien or T-800 are pieces of art, but happily hang the HCG Pulse Rifle on your wall? Really?
     
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  12. SolidLiquidFox Verbal Diarrhoea

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    I agree with Steve and as I have also mentioned before this is all subjective. I can look at some items that have been deemed as grails or iconic and roll my eyes and say "really???". You mean to tell me that another Hulk PF or Doom PF won't EVER top the ones deemed as grails so I gotta go to ebay with $2,000??? We are basically accepting that Sideshow (the main source of statues for many) has peaked in the past and everything else we can expect in the future are eggshell sculpts with mediocre art direction and so-so QC? Others take that same amount of money to Hot Toys or commissions.

    What I have learned after all these years is that a lot of people use the opinion of the masses in forums (along with ebay) to determine popularity and value sometimes more than their own point of view. I also notice that opinions change like the wind. What is put down now may be praised later. A spike upwards on ebay usually seals the deal and then the praises come. It happens all the time. I think the basic questions like "Do I care that much about Doctor Doom?" never come into play. It looks cool, I read in forums that a lot of people like it, the price on ebay stays high....it's settled: I gotta get it!

    So...what is worth $2,000? The answer of course is whatever resonates with YOU if you have the money to buy it. Personally, I don't think the Mark 43 is an iconic armor and the pose is not all the way there for me so I will most likely pass. Do I think people are crazy to buy it? No, because I know the CM quality will be there to justify the asking price, QC will be high, silicone likeness cost money and it will be a limited edition piece. It represents Iron Man well enough in 1:3 scale for most people. We all play the "what would I rather get for $2,000" game whenever a new CM gets announced. Some people think bigger is better and would go for a Sideshow LSF or 1:4 scale is good enough. Others may choose to collect a bunch of hot toys 1:6 figures as they see more value in the variety of a smaller scale. They are all irrational decisions to spend $2,000 to any non-collectors out there. However, as collectors, I expect a certain amount of understanding from others that are in the hobby. "Not worth it" implications or put downs in general seem silly on any collecting forum given the nature of these items at their pricepoints.
     
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  13. Stephen Charter Lounger

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    Jose do you think the silicone portrait might tip you over?
     
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  14. SolidLiquidFox Verbal Diarrhoea

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    Probably not Steve. I am waiting on the Scout Trooper LE helmet from eFX as well as their version of the Stormtrooper Legendary and Fett ESB helmets. I expect those to run close to $800+ each when announced for preorder.

    The next CM that comes along has to check all the boxes for me as funds would have to be allocated for it. I like Iron Man and the character is probably one of the most perfectly casted ever with RDjr but he is not my favorite. Visually I like Captain America more in this CM scale given the AOU outfit. Even more so as I am familiar with the Civil War story from the comics. If they follow the comics in the Marvel cinematic universe then Cap would be the one for me.
     
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  15. Enzucho Opionated

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    Lovin all this debate. But i have question referring to azurepred, as far as I know and can remember we are on a Cinemaquette forum are we not? I just ask cause you sate that you would purchase a wolf pred over any CM any day. Which with most reviews and me seeing in person was as already stated laughable. now don't get me wrong, I do like Sideshow in fact I have a ton of things on order with them, have been collecting SS since 2003. but come on Sideshow or Cm, its not even on the same planet. I understand if someone doesn't like a couple pieces from Cm, its just not their cup of tea (you cannot please everyone) but to say that you would buy something like wolf pred over any cm ever made and we are on a CM forum. I don't know, excuse me for saying and I could be wrong but it just doesn't sit well with. me.
     
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  16. bioman Demands Audiences

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    Still no news...
    Is it possible that RDJ can refuse the silicon head??
     
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  17. dfchang813 Smooth Conversationalist

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    Probably wrong place to post this but it is confirmed that there will be a Cinemaquette 1:3 scale endoskeleton from Terminator Genisys.

    It will be made in conjunction with Chronicle.

    Whether this is one of the 2 Cinemaquette releases or announcements this year George is talking about remains to be seen.
     
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  18. dfchang813 Smooth Conversationalist

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    That's always possible but extremely unlikely in my opinion. After all we have seen TONS of RDJ sculpts both good and bad.

    I think it's just a matter of time and priorities. Eventually it will be approved and we see it.

    I have no doubt it will not be perfect and there will be quite a bit of discussion about the relative merits of the likeness but I am confident it will be good enough for me. ;)
     
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  19. Patriot666 Demands Audiences

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    So my T-800 sale was well timed? That's a first LOL.
     
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  20. sunnyx Lounge Lurker

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    Interesting debate. Whether you like or not, this IM will sell out in a few years as it comes from a hugely popular franchise. This debate if it is worth the value etc is all very subjective and you cannot change someone's opinions and make them like it. I've seen on forums that the 1:4 scale SS T-800 endo is better than the T-800 CM! Opinions will always defer and haters will always be haters. There are so many different statues and figurines released every month, so something for everyone to choose and own something that is right for you :). If I bought a statue because I liked it, I could not really give a monkeys ass what anyone thinks :lol:
    So whatever you buy, feel proud and enjoy!
     
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